3/15/08

This guy writes the longest sentences ever:

Faith is precisely this paradox, that the single individual as the particular is higher than the universal and is justified over against the latter not as subordinate but superior to it, yet in such a way, mind you, that it is the single individual who, after having been subordinate to the universal as the particular, now through the universal becomes the single individual who as the particular is superior to it; [faith is this paradox] that the single individual as the particular stands in an absolute relation to the absolute.

-Kierkegaard as Johann de silencio
Brian McLaren's article on Wheaton.

3/14/08

1. collateral misinformation

When someone alters a Wikipedia article to win a specific argument, anyone who reads the false article before the "error" is corrected suffers from collateral misinformation.

I changed the scientific classification of red foxes last night in order to win an argument with Judy. I hope some stupid High School student didn't suffer from collateral misinformation.

3/13/08

Prayer to Every God
(from somewhere in the non-Israelite ancient Near East,
I'm confused by footnotes.)

The transgression I have committed I do not know;
The sin I have done I do not know;
The forbidden thing I have eaten I do not know;
The prohibited place on which I have set foot I do not know;
The god whom I know or do not know has oppressed me;I am troubled, I am overwhelmed, I cannot see.

Man is dumb; he knows nothing;
Mankind, everyone that exists-what does he know?
Whether he is committing sin or doing good, he does not even know.

3/12/08

Father at the wars,
Mother, tongue-tied with shyness,
struggling to tell him
the Facts of Life he dared not
tell her he knew already.

-W.H. Auden
History should not be seen naively as an attempt to recount what really happened. The Epistemological question concerns the extent to which we could ever know what really happened... In one sense one could perhaps go so far as to claim that there is no such thing as history, only the recounted interpretation of the past.

-Dr. John H. Walton

3/11/08

So if the devil wear Prada,
Adam Eve wear Nada,
I'm in between, but way more fresher.

-Kanye West

prayer
by Aaron Belz

Shall I
compare
myself
to a dog?

If so,
it’s true—
sometimes
I paw my
master’s
leg. And

sometimes
he plays
with me.

3/10/08

It would be difficult to discuss with ancients the concepts of divine intervention, because in their worldview deity was too integrated into the cosmos to intervene in it. For the most part, deity is on the inside, not the outside. All experience was religious experience, all law was spiritual in nature, all duties were duties to the gods, all events had deity as their cause. Life was religion and religion could not be compartmentalized within life...

In the ancient world something came into existence when it was separated out as a distinct entity, given a function, and given a name.

-Dr. John Walton, Ancient Near Eastern Thought
Have daylight mercy on my midnight soul.

-Frederick Buechner, Godric

3/9/08

3/8/08


The Broken Covenant
from the book of Jeremiah

Like a cage full of birds,
their houses are full of deceit;
therefore they have become great and rich;
they have grown fat and sleek.
They know no bounds in deeds of evil;
they judge not with justice
the cause of the fatherless, to make it prosper,
and they do not defend the rights of the needy.
Shall I not punish them for these things?
declares the Lord,
and shall I not avenge myself
on a nation such as this?
An appalling and horrible thing
has happened in the land:
the prophets prophesy falsely,
and the priests rule at their direction;
my people love to have it so,
but what will you do when the end comes?


They have healed the wound of my people lightly,
saying, 'Peace, peace,'
when there is no peace.


The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron; with a point of diamond it is engraved on the tablet of their heart

The battle spread over the face of all the country, and the forest devoured more people that day than the sword.

-here.
Remember, my friends, what a handful of trumpet players
did to the famous fabled walls of Jericho,
oh, billiard parlor walls come a-tumblin' down!
-The Music Man


“We for the most part shy off being human because if we are really human we will be crucified.”
-Herbert McCabe

(via I have no idea why I subscribe to this blog... it's ...boring)

3/6/08

There is no heresy or no philosophy which is so abhorrent to the church as a human being.
- James Joyce

the main problem at any high school is not substance abuse, although that is the message our students unfortunately get. It is not sex, either. It is a lack of belief that what is being done is important, and students and teachers are both culpable.

-Aaron Belz
via
an ecstasy of particulars

3/4/08


...See that light glinting up there by the water tower? That's "the Claw." He's got a hook for a hand—lost it in Belfast in the '80s. I give the signal and he'll put a bullet through your ear. Roger that, Red Dog. Two minutes to green light. Lock and load. Over.

Letter of Recommendation for Rick Stoeckel, Who Was Homeschooled

By Rick Stoeckel


...When I asked Ricky's father for a comment to include in this recommendation, he stated, "Ricky's all right." If you knew Ricky's father, you would realize what a great accolade that is. I second that notion. For all his faults and imperfections and disappointments and failures, our Ricky is all right.

If you have any questions regarding Ricky's worthiness or character, please feel free to contact me. I am available anytime except Saturday mornings, when I go grocery shopping, and Monday nights, when Ricky's father and I hold our own PTA meetings: just the two of us. Thank you.

Sincerely,
Rick's Mom

3/3/08

God has put this Word into the mouth of others in order that it may be communicated to us. When one person is struck by the Word, he speaks it to others. God has willed that we should seek and find his living Word in the witness of a brother, in the mouth of a man. Therefore, the Christian needs another Christian who speaks God’s Word to him. He needs again and again when he becomes uncertain and discouraged, for by himself he cannot help himself without belying the truth.

He needs a brother as a bearer and proclaimer of the divine word of salvation. He needs his brother solely because of Jesus Christ. The Christ in his own heart is weaker than the Christ in the word of his brother; his own heart is uncertain; his brother’s is sure.


-Dietrich Bonhoeffer
via Elanor

2/28/08

The separation of church and state is a source of strength, but the conscience of our nation does not call for separation between men of state and faith in the Supreme Being.

-Lyndon B. Johnson

2/27/08

KNOW then thyself, presume not God to scan,
The proper study of mankind is man.
Placed on this isthmus of a middle state,
A being darkly wise, and rudely great:
With too much knowledge for the sceptic side, 5
With too much weakness for the Stoic’s pride,
He hangs between; in doubt to act, or rest;
In doubt to deem himself a God, or beast;
In doubt his mind or body to prefer;
Born but to die, and reasoning but to err; 10
Alike in ignorance, his reason such,
Whether he thinks too little or too much:
Chaos of thought and passion, all confus’d;
Still by himself abused or disabused;
Created half to rise, and half to fall; 15
Great lord of all things, yet a prey to all;
Sole judge of truth, in endless error hurled:
The glory, jest, and riddle of the world!

-Alexander Pope
(I've never understood humanism better than after reading this)

2/26/08


The first Photoshop icon
People may or may not say what they mean... but they always say something designed to get what they want.

-David Mamet

2/25/08

To want fame is to prefer dying scorned than forgotten.

-E. M. Cioran

2/24/08

The great writers usually break a few rules, and the greater the writer the larger the transgressions...

Forgive me if I got carried away back there. Sometimes we scribblers do indeed become drunk with power.

All books are either dreams or swords.

-
Amy Lowell
You shall love your crooked neighbour

With your crooked heart.

-W.H. Auden

2/23/08



The Temptation of Adam
by Josh Ritter

...I never had to learn to love her like I learned to love the Bomb,
she just came along and started to ignore me...

We could hold each other close and stay up every night
looking up into the dark like it's the night sky.
Pretend this giant missile is an old oak tree instead
and carve our name in hearts into the warhead.

Oh Marie there's something tells me things just won't work out above,
that our love would live a half-life on the surface.
So at night while you are sleeping
I hold you closer just because
as our time grows short I get a little nervous.

I think about the Big One, W.W.I.I.I.
Would we ever really care the world had ended?
You could hold me here forever like you're holding me tonight
I think about that great big button and I'm tempted.

2/22/08

2/20/08


Wealth and Religiosity
via More than 95 Theses

2/19/08


By Small and Small: Midnight to 4 A.M.
by Jack Gilbert

For eleven years I have regretted it,
regretted that I did not do what
I wanted to do as I sat there those
four hours watching her die. I wanted
to crawl in among the machinery
and hold her in my arms, knowing
the elementary, leftover bit of her
mind would dimly recognize it was me
carrying her to where she was going.
Each one of us has... an inner life story that we spend all our lives telling to ourselves alone.... our inner life story is the content of our most private level of consciousness. It is the actual reason, the final basis of the decisions we make--decisions that are often so baffling to others.

-John Charles Cooper, Fantasy and the Human Spirit

2/18/08

2/14/08

Batter my heart, three-personed God; for you
As yet but knock, breathe, shine, and seek to mend;
That I may rise and stand, o’erthrow me, and bend
Your force to break, blow, burn, and make me new.
I, like an usurped town, to another due,
Labor to admit you, but O, to no end;
Reason, your viceroy in me, me should defend,
but is captived, and proves weak or untrue.
yet dearly I love you, and would be loved fain,
But am betrothed unto your enemy.
Divorce me, untie or break that knot again;
Take me to you, imprison me, for I,
Except you enthrall me, never shall be free,
Nor even chaste, except you ravish me.
-John Donne, Holy Sonnet XIV

2/13/08

“Human kind cannot bear very much reality.”

-T.S. Eliot
Thomas in Murder in the Cathedral

2/11/08

Unholy we sang this morning, and prayed
as if we were not broken, crooked
the Christ-figure hung, splayed
on bloodied beams above us;
devious God, dweller in shadows,
mercy on us;
immortal, cross-shattered Christ—
your gentling grace down upon us.

-"Mercy" from Manhandling the Deity, by John F. Deane

-photo

2/10/08

a nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting
- three hundred million people all with the same face.

-George Orwell, 1984

Photo - BenGood

2/9/08

But today, if you will hear His voice,
Today He will hear you.
He brought light out of darkness,
Not out of a lesser light:
He can bring thy summer out of winter,
Tho' thou have no spring.

-John Donne, from a sermon preached in 1624, put to music by Imogen Holst
Great is the Lord!
The dawn is but a pale reflection of the hem of his garments

-Franz Schubert, Gott in der Natur
Whenever I try to Read through the Bible in a Year, I Always Get Stuck in Leviticus

Eden, the original sacred space, is restored in us as God's presence has taken up his dwelling in his people... Keep the space pure. (123)

-Old Testament Today
The true poem is the poet's mind.

-Ralph Waldo Emerson

2/6/08

On Turning Ten
by Billy Collins
The whole idea of it makes me feel
like I'm coming down with something,
something worse than any stomach ache
or the headaches I get from reading in bad light--
a kind of measles of the spirit,
a mumps of the psyche,
a disfiguring chicken pox of the soul.

You tell me it is too early to be looking back,
but that is because you have forgotten
the perfect simplicity of being one
and the beautiful complexity introduced by two.
But I can lie on my bed and remember every digit.
At four I was an Arabian wizard.
I could make myself invisible
by drinking a glass of milk a certain way.
At seven I was a soldier, at nine a prince.

But now I am mostly at the window
watching the late afternoon light.
Back then it never fell so solemnly
against the side of my tree house,
and my bicycle never leaned against the garage
as it does today,
all the dark blue speed drained out of it.

This is the beginning of sadness, I say to myself,
as I walk through the universe in my sneakers.
It is time to say good-bye to my imaginary friends,
time to turn the first big number.

It seems only yesterday I used to believe
there was nothing under my skin but light.
If you cut me I could shine.
But now when I fall upon the sidewalks of life,
I skin my knees. I bleed.

2/5/08

I don’t believe in the God who is so identified with a denomination that someone can say “We speak for God,” and no one laughs.

-Internet Monk
- Vincent Laforet, who has an uncanny way of making us all look like toys.

2/4/08

"For my own part I tend to find the doctrinal books often more helpful in devotion than the devotional books, and I rather suspect that the same experience may await many others. I believe that many who find that "nothing happens" when they sit down, or kneel down, to a book of devotion, would find that the heart sings unbidden while they are working their way through a tough bit of theology with a pipe in their teeth and a pencil in their hand."

-C.S. Lewis


"Meanwhile, where is God?...But go to Him when your need is desperate, when all other help is vain, and what do you find? A door slammed in your face, and a sound of bolting and double bolting on the inside. After that, silence. You may as well turn away. The longer you wait, the more emphatic the silence will become. There are no lights in the windows. It might be an empty house. Was it ever inhabited? It seemed so once. And that seeming was as strong as this. What can this mean? Why is He so present a commander in our time of prosperity and so very absent a help in time of trouble?"

-Lewis again, A Grief Observed
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who walk into a room and say, There you are and those who say, Here I am.

-Abigail Van Buren

2/2/08

"Some writers confuse authenticity, which they ought always to aim at, with originality, which they should never bother about."

-W. H. Auden
"I’m so optimistic that I expect to live to see the evaporation of the powerful mystique of religion...

...it is no longer feasible for guardians of religious traditions to protect their young from exposure to the kinds of facts (and, yes, of course, misinformation and junk of every genre) that gently, irresistibly undermine the mindsets requisite for religious fanaticism and intolerance. The religious fervor of today is a last, desperate attempt by our generation to block the eyes and ears of the coming generations, and it isn’t working."

-Daniel C. Dennett


1/31/08

Secret Of The Easy Yoke
by Pedro The Lion

I could hear the church bells ringing
they pealed aloud your praise
the member's faces were smiling
with their hands outstretched to shake
it's true they did not move me
my heart was hard and tired
their perfect fire annoyed me
I could not find you anywhere

Could someone please tell me the story
of sinners ransomed from the fall?
I still have never seen you
and some days I don't love you at all

The devoted were wearing bracelets
to remind them why they came
some concrete motivation
when the abstract could not do the same
But if all that's left is duty, I'm falling on my sword
at least then, I would not serve an unseen distant lord

Could someone please tell me the story
of sinners ransomed from the fall?
I still have never seen you
and some days I don't love you at all

If this only a test
I hope that I'm passing, cause I'm losing steam
But I still want to trust you

peace be still
peace be still
peace be still

1/28/08

"Christians and libertarians can unite on difficult issues"

-Marvin Olasky
This is a snapshot from my facebook profile. According to World Magazine, one of them is a lie.

1/27/08

"As soon as certain topics are raised, the concrete melts into the abstract and no one seems able to think of turns of speech that are not hackneyed: prose consists less and less of words chosen for the sake of their meaning, and more and more of phrases tacked together like the sections of a prefabricated hen-house."

-George Orwell

-Bonus article on active and passive voice

1/26/08

"Years of hardship had taught Jonson to seek his feasts
in his imagination..."

-Intro to Ben Jonson
"What you think about God - not what you say you think about God, but what you really think deep down inside - is the most important determination of your character." (24)

-Dr. John Walton
Lies Printed on My Waffle Iron
by Annie Mackey

Magic

Easy Clean

Literary tragedy, so often praised for "telling it like it is," does not portray catastrophe as we experience it in real life. It omits, in the words of C.S. Lewis, "the clumsy and apparently meaningless bludgeoning of much of real misfortune and the prosaic littleness which usually rob real sorrows of their dignity" and present instead suffering "that is always significant and sublime."

-Leland Ryken
"Most people want to wake up in the morning with a general at the foot of their bed saying 'Go do this.' The problem is there's somebody at the foot of their bed saying, 'Once upon a time…' "

- N.T. Wright

1/25/08

1/23/08

"I simply cannot take it anymore. I have to be president again.
I have to."

1/21/08

“If I ever become a saint, I will surely be one of ‘darkness.’ ”

that's why my paper was shorter than you assigned

"The more words, the more vanity, and what is the advantage to man?"

-Solomon
In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence.

-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

1/20/08

“Write as if you were dying. At the same time, assume you write for an audience consisting solely of terminally ill patients. That is, after all, the case... What could you say to a dying person that would not enrage by its triviality?”

-Annie Dillard, The Writing Life

1/19/08

"This same tension exists in the church as anywhere: we’ve come to love our bonds because we are granted a measure of success by keeping them. The church, I think, is willing to sacrifice basic human and civil liberties for good and noble results. We prefer success or even just stability to freedom of expression. Freedom of expression is messy and unmanageable."

-NakedPastor comparing Putin and the church
We must blend into the choir, sing as static with the whole,
We must memorize nine numbers and deny we have a soul,
And in this endless race for property and privilege to be won
We must run, we must run, we must run.

...I'm happy just because, I found out I am really no one...

"Walton just disintegrated 18 years of sermons that I've listened to - in the course of one class session today."
-Yee Sum

"he attacked democracy as an absurd social ideal... as though truth could be discovered by totting up votes."
-Wikipedia, on Thomas Carlyle


“Life is not lost by dying; life is lost minute by minute, day by dragging day, in all the thousand small uncaring ways.”
-Stephen Vincent Benet

1/17/08

I am 77 years old and I have never seen this country in such a bad state. It is madness. What we are seeing is the fall of the Roman Empire, only now it is the fall of America, the glory of our Empire. This war is what Parthia was to Rome….

Democracy, whether in Sweden or the United States, depends on the voter’s capacity to think. If you have read the best of what has been thought and said, then your cognition and understanding is on a much higher level than if you have read Harry Potter or Stephen King. So what this decline into half-literature and mediocre media really means is de facto a self-destruction of democracy.

-Harold Bloom


“Poetry is what is lost in translation.”
-Robert Frost

“The merit of originality is not novelty; it is sincerity.”
-Thomas Carlyle
“Write the truth.”

“religion has become an empty ritual that masks hypocrisy.”

-Robert McKee

1/16/08

"Only a bad person needs to repent: only a good person can repent perfectly. The worse you are the more you need it and the less you can do it. The only person who could do it perfectly would be a perfect person - and he would not need it...

we cannot share God's dying unless God dies; and he cannot die except by being a man."

-The Quotable C.S. Lewis on Atonement
I do not doubt God or his ability to express revelation exactly as he wants it to be. The thought that God cannot reveal truth unless it is in a book that is supernaturally prevented from having normal, imperfect, human expressions of its time really never occurs to me. I assume that within the expressions, thought world, worldviews and literary genres of the time, God got exactly what he wanted and I can preach it without having to be concerned about "errancy."
-Internet Monk

1/15/08

“How can I tell what I think till I see what I say?”
-E.M. Forster, Novelist

"Our hope is that people gathering around the fiction and essays included in this resource will take the occasion to listen for God in new places. There is no telling, of course, where one may hear the Word spoken; it has been said that even the stones will cry out..."
-Peter Hawkins, "Introduction" to Listening for God, vol. 1

1/11/08

"the War on Drugs now costs the United States $50 billion each year and has overcrowded prisons to the breaking point - all with little discernible impact on the drug trade."

-How America Lost the War on Drugs

58%-Gen-Next:The Least Republican Generation

1/9/08


“The script of the book is a host and launching pad
for the wind among us that the world cannot evoke
and the church cannot resist”

-Walter Brueggemann
on the inspiration of Scripture
-Matt Stuart
"OLDS 1999 Intrigue. Totally uncool parents who obviously don't love teenage son, selling his car. Only driven for three weeks before snoopy mom who needs to get a life found booze under front seat. $3,700/offer. Call meanest mom on the planet."

-here
"The storyteller's selection and arrangement of events is his metaphor for the interconnectedness of all the levels of reality -- personal, political, environmental, spiritual. Stripped of its surface of characterization and location, story structure reveals his personal cosmology, his insight into the deepest patterns and motivations for how and why things happen in this world -- his map of life’s hidden order."

“The final cause of the decline of story runs very deep. Values, the positive/negative charges of life, are at the soul of our art. The writer shapes story around a perception of what’s worth living for and what’s worth dying for, what is foolish to pursue, the meaning of justice, truth -- the essential values. In decades past, writer and society more or less agreed on these questions, but more and more ours has become an age of moral and ethical cynicism, relativism, and subjectivism -– a great confusion of values. As the family disintegrates and sexual antagonisms rise, who, for example, feels he understands the nature of love? And how, if you do have a conviction, do you express it to an ever-more skeptical audience? This erosion of values has brought with it a corresponding erosion of story. Unlike writers in the past, we can assume nothing.”

“Write every day, line by line, page by page, hour by hour. Do this despite fear. For above all else, beyond imagination and skill, what the world asks of you is courage, courage to risk rejection, ridicule and failure. As you follow the quest for stories told with meaning and beauty, study thoughtfully but write boldly. Then, like the hero of the fable, your dance will dazzle the world.”

-Robert Mckee, Story
Quoted by Donald Miller, Nov. 11
"Religious Americans are not only much more likely to give money and volunteer their time to religious and secular institutions, they are also more likely to provide aid to family members, return incorrect change, help a homeless person, and donate blood."

-Scandal of the Secular Conscience?
"Having a pint of beer after a game of football or going to the gym could be the key to a long, healthy life, new research claims. According to the study, moderate drinking combined with exercise is the best combination to prevent life-threatening conditions - even better than total abstention."

-The Telegraph

1/8/08

“God is not simply code language for what is happening anyway.” (30)

“Every center of power fears poets, because poets never fight fair.” (41)

-Walter Brueggeman

1/7/08

1. Pagan religions have supernatural origins.
2. Pagan religions teach some truth about God.
3. Pagan religions are used by God to advance his own plan of redemption.

-Jesus Creed, quote from God's Rivals

1/5/08


Theology is meant to be temporary
Theology must be at its essence, confessional. It is not enough to simply say what is (or really how we see it to be); theology must come from the life of the one who holds it. We may well have a dead theology, not because the ideas are dead, but because the people who passionately held them and the reasons for their conception have passed. Because theology is connected to real life, answering particular questions, concerns, and opportunities of the day, it will be ever-changing. If it is not so, then it may well not be theology – it may be dogma, history, or a collection of random facts, but not theology. Theology is the living understanding of the story of God in play with the story of our lives.” (121)

-Doug Pagitt, Listening to the Beliefs of Emerging Churches

Response by Mark Driscoll
“Perhaps most concerning are Pagitt’s declarations that “what we believe is not ‘timeless,’ ” theology will be “ever-changing,” and that “complex understandings meant for all people, in all places, for all times are simply not possible.” I am left to wonder if his pleading for love is something he also believes should be “ever-changing,” an that some future evolution of Christianity could embrace violent injustice yet remain faithful?

In conclusion, Christians are to “contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints” (Jude 3 NIV). Therefore, the truths of Christianity are constant. But the methods by which truth is articulated and practiced must be culturally appropriated and therefore constantly changing (1 Corinthians 9:22-23). If both doctrine and practice are constant, the result is dead orthodoxy, which Pagitt is reacting against. If both doctrine and practice are constantly changing, the result is living heresy, which Pagitt is contending for. But if doctrine is constant and practice is constantly changing, the result is living orthodoxy, which I propose is the faithful third way.” (146-147)

1/4/08

"Maybe our crucifixion is in knowing that for all we'd like to believe to the contrary, we don't have the stomach for even such a few, half-baked chances to give up something precious for him as come our way, let alone for giving up, in any sense that really matters, our selves for him."

-Frederick Buechner
"We're all into that born again thing, and that's great, we got to be born again because Jesus says that to Nicodemus. To enter the kingdom of God you got to be born again. But if you tell me you got to be born again, I can tell you you got to sell everything you have and give it to the poor because Jesus said that to one guy too.

I guess that's why God invented highlighters, so we can highlight the verses we like."

-Rich Mullins, Quoted by Shane Claiborne, December 8th, 2004 Wheaton College Chapel
Who hath the power (I ask), who hath the power
To rule the sum of the immeasurable,
To hold with steady hand the giant reins
Of the unfathomed deep? Who hath the power
At once to rule a multitude of skies,
At once to heat with fires ethereal all
The fruitful lands of multitudes of worlds,
To be at all times in all places near,
To stablish darkness by his clouds, to shake
The serene spaces of the sky with sound,
And hurl his lightnings,- ha, and whelm how oft
In ruins his own temples, and to rave,
Retiring to the wildernesses, there
At practice with that thunderbolt of his,
Which yet how often shoots the guilty by,
And slays the honourable blameless ones!

-Lucretius, "On The Nature of Things"

1/1/08

Looking up at the stars, I know quite well
That, for all they care, I can go to hell,
But on earth indifference is the least
We have to dread from man or beast.

How should we like it were stars to burn
With a passion for us we could not return?
If equal affection cannot be,
Let the more loving one be me.

Admirer as I think I am
Of stars that do not give a damn,
I cannot, now I see them, say
I missed one terribly all day.

Were all stars to disappear or die,
I should learn to look at an empty sky
And feel its total darkness sublime,
Though this might take me a little time.

-W.H. Auden, "The More Loving One"


"I am sorry to say that I cannot think of any division in Christianity- Calvinist/Arminan, Catholic/Protestant, Pentecostal/Cessationist, Seeker/Traditional- where one side is more completely unlikely to appreciate the other position than this one."

-Internet Monk on Young Earth Creationsim